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  Posted 25 November 2018 - 12:46 PM

The Difference Between An Obama Judge And A Trump Judge



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The last few days have seen President Trump escalate his tirade against judicial bias in America’s higher courts following his initial comments responding to yet another liberal California judge earlier this week blocked one of President Trump’s policies ?this time a new asylum rule that would have required applicants to arrive at a designated port of entry (a lot to ask, I know) ?the understandably frustrated president lashed out at liberal courts in general.

“I think it’s a disgrace when every case gets filed in the 9th Circuit,?said Trump.

“That’s not law, that’s not what this country stands for. Every case that gets filed in the 9th Circuit, we get beaten and then we end up having to go to the Supreme Court, like the travel ban, and we won.?br />
Prompting a response from Chief Justice John Roberts?br />
“We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges,?he said in a statement.

“What we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. That independent judiciary is something we should all be thankful for.?/strong>

Which sparked a whole new spat:

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Sorry Chief Justice John Roberts, but you do indeed have “Obama judges,?and they have a much different point of view than the people who are charged with the safety of our country. It would be great if the 9th Circuit was indeed an “independent judiciary,?but if it is why......

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.....are so many opposing view (on Border and Safety) cases filed there, and why are a vast number of those cases overturned. Please study the numbers, they are shocking. We need protection and security - these rulings are making our country unsafe! Very dangerous and unwise!

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Justice Roberts can say what he wants, but the 9th Circuit is a complete & total disaster. It is out of control, has a horrible reputation, is overturned more than any Circuit in the Country, 79%, & is used to get an almost guaranteed result. Judges must not Legislate Security...

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.and Safety at the Border, or anywhere else. They know nothing about it and are making our Country unsafe. Our great Law Enforcement professionals MUST BE ALLOWED TO DO THEIR JOB! If not there will be only bedlam, chaos, injury and death. We want the Constitution as written!

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But, as law professor Scott Douglas Gerber writes for The Daily Caller, Chief Justice John Roberts?rebuke of President Trump for criticizing a federal judge who issued a temporary restraining order blocking the administration from barring migrants who enter the U.S. illegally from seeking asylum isn’t the first time that Roberts has tried to suggest that judges aren’t political.

The most famous prior occasion was when Roberts told the Senate Judiciary Committee during his 2005 confirmation hearing:

“Judges are like umpires ?whose job is to call balls and strikes and not to pitch or bat.?He also said that “umpires don’t make the rules; they apply them.?/strong>

No serious student of the modern judiciary took Roberts?2005 comments seriously.

They shouldn’t take his most recent attempt at myth-making seriously, either. After all, if there wasn’t a difference between “Obama judges?and federal judges appointed by Republican presidents, President Trump’s opponents wouldn’t be moving heaven and earth to try to stop him from appointing conservatives to the federal courts. Surely, the chief justice can’t already have forgotten the trials to which Brett Kavanaugh was subjected.

Of course, Roberts was appointed by a Republican president, but that president ?George W. Bush ?like Roberts himself, was an establishment conservative, and establishment conservatives resent President Trump’s 2016 election victory almost as much as Democrats do. Perhaps that helps explain the chief justice’s seemingly unprecedented attack on the president.

Two additional points are also worth noting. First, President Trump isn’t the only president, or future president, who has criticized a federal judge for making a political decision. Second, Chief Justice Roberts himself wrote one of the most political opinions in Supreme Court history.

The most significant example of a president or future president criticizing a ruling issued by a federal court is almost certainly Abraham Lincoln’s response to the 1857 decision in which the Supreme Court ruled that African Americans could not be citizens of the United States and could not sue in federal court, as Dred Scott, a Missouri slave, had done to gain his freedom after living briefly in Illinois and Wisconsin. Lincoln publicly condemned the decision, stating that blacks were entitled to the same freedom as whites. Lincoln was obviously correct in his criticism of the Court’s racist politics in the Dred Scott case and the nation became a better place because he criticized the court.

With respect to Roberts himself, in 2012 the chief justice joined with the four liberals on the Court to uphold Obamacare, and he invented out of whole cloth a new definition of taxation that contravened long-standing precedent to do so. As both the law’s opponents and the court’s dissenters pointed out, the so-called individual mandate that required most Americans to have a basic level of health insurance coverage or pay a fine was labeled a “penalty,?not a tax, in the statute; it was designed to encourage people to buy health insurance, not to raise revenue; and President Obama himself had rejected claims that the law was a tax when it was being considered by Congress.


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Posted 25 November 2018 - 01:08 PM

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Of course, Roberts was appointed by a Republican president, but that president ?George W. Bush ?like Roberts himself, was an establishment conservative, and establishment conservatives resent President Trump’s 2016 election victory almost as much as Democrats do. Perhaps that helps explain the chief justice’s seemingly unprecedented attack on the president.

As this article points out, nowhere was Roberts' bias more obvious than his ruling on Obamacare.
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 01:49 PM

 Liz, on 25 November 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

As this article points out, nowhere was Roberts' bias more obvious than his ruling on Obamacare.

Roberts is objecting to Trump’s characterization of Obama judges because he quickly became one himself.

The only question is why...
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 03:31 PM

View Postzurg, on 25 November 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

Roberts is objecting to Trump’s characterization of Obama judges because he quickly became one himself.

The only question is why...


A Swiss bank account kept full by the DNC?
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 04:26 PM

View Postzurg, on 25 November 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

Roberts is objecting to Trump’s characterization of Obama judges because he quickly became one himself.

The only question is why...

This is the reason why lefties are going out of their minds (some would say psychotic) with the possibility Ginsburg is going to croak and be replaced with a originalist. The only reason why Roberts voted to uphold Odumbocare is because they have something on him and they will continue to use it (as they have will all of the subsequent Obumbocare rulings) to ensure he votes the right way for the most crucial decisions. Thus, replacing Ginsburg with an originalist means there would be five (a majority) and having Roberts on their side is meaningless. If you think you've seen the worst lefties can get with the Kavanuagh hearings, that will be a pleasant game at the old ballpark in comparison if Ginsburg croaks in the next year or so.
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 04:48 PM

View Postusapatriot, on 25 November 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

This is the reason why lefties are going out of their minds (some would say psychotic) with the possibility Ginsburg is going to croak and be replaced with a originalist. The only reason why Roberts voted to uphold Odumbocare is because they have something on him and they will continue to use it (as they have will all of the subsequent Obumbocare rulings) to ensure he votes the right way for the most crucial decisions. Thus, replacing Ginsburg with an originalist means there would be five (a majority) and having Roberts on their side is meaningless. If you think you've seen the worst lefties can get with the Kavanuagh hearings, that will be a pleasant game at the old ballpark in comparison if Ginsburg croaks in the next year or so.

And, I found it odd that Roberts would allow Ginsburg to work from home with no limit on how long due to her health problems. If she only works from home a few weeks, then I wouldn't suspect anything nefarious was at play, but if it starts to stretch beyond that (particularly way beyond that), then I wouldn't put it past lefties that if she does croak, they'll put her on ice long enough so Trump doesn't get a chance to replace her. Sure, "Ginsburg" would continue to write opinions, but they will be from her aids. If there's no video or pictures of her that indicate when they were made, then she could easily be dead without anyone knowing.

Think this is too far-fetched? Remember, to lefties, the ends ALWAYS justifies the means, that's why they are fine with stealing elections (how many have they stolen in this year especially in California...I've lost count. And the most pathetic thing is the California, Arizona and New Mexico Republicans aren't saying anything about the obvious fraud unlike Scott and DeSantis did in Florida...they called it what it is, FRAUD, they they named names which prevented them from stealing the elections there). I don't doubt for one minute that the RINO McCain died earlier this spring, but it was kept secret until August. Why, you ask? Simple, McCain hated Trump, and he knew that if his replacement was made in the spring, Trump would have gotten the last vote necessary to replace Obumbocare and McCain was so spiteful (proof of that was in all of the eulogies trashing Trump after his death) that he would easily have arranged for his dead body to be put on ice just long enough to prevent that. Doubt me? Did anyone other than his family see McCain since early spring? Are there any pictures/videos of McCain that would date him being alive beyond April? I'll help you...that answers are no.
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 04:59 PM

View Postusapatriot, on 25 November 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

Remember, to lefties, the ends ALWAYS justifies the means


Yep. To them it's a jihad.
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 07:33 PM

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Of course, Roberts was appointed by a Republican president, but that president — George W. Bush — like Roberts himself, was an establishment conservative, and establishment conservatives resent President Trump's 2016 election victory almost as much as Democrats do.
Please. Bush and Roberts are not establishment conservatives. Establishment Republicans, yes, but no where near conservative.

Is there even such a thing as an establishment conservative? I say no.

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Posted 25 November 2018 - 07:56 PM

View PostUSNRETWIFE, on 25 November 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

Please. Bush and Roberts are not establishment conservatives. Establishment Republicans, yes, but no where near conservative.

Is there even such a thing as an establishment conservative? I say no.

Thank you, USNRETWIFE! I glossed right over that when I read it and even posted about it. You're absolutely right, Bush and Roberts are NOT conservatives and it's not only wrong but an insult to suggest they are.

For the record, I'm no expert but I've never heard of an establishment conservative.
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Posted 25 November 2018 - 09:57 PM

View PostUSNRETWIFE, on 25 November 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

Please. Bush and Roberts are not establishment conservatives. Establishment Republicans, yes, but no where near conservative.

Is there even such a thing as an establishment conservative? I say no.

I would consider establishment conservative a contradiction in terms. The term may help sell cruise tickets however...
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